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The West Davai Setting
09-25-2018, 08:49 PM (This post was last modified: 10-26-2019 07:49 PM by TeamBattleaxe.)
Post: #1
The West Davai Setting
I've been thinking about how the Sriaav people, the driving force behind the long lasting, far reaching Kamuran Empire have left their mark on the surrounding regions of Davai, Raia and Altaia over the centuries. The Hanayakaav dynasty established an empire similar to that of the Portuguese or the Dutch in the Shangti and dominated the waterways of this region, interacting with and heavily influencing the cultures that lived near them.

As well as trade companies and military garrisons the Sriaav would have engaged in interbreeding in parts of Shangti and I imagine if contemporary Gothans could produce a genetic map of Sriaav admixture they would find a large blob surrounding the Shangti Ocean. In many Raian and Altaian areas these quasi-Sriaav would have adopted the culture and language of their mothers. Generally Kamuran sailors were male and they, like in most cultures, sought company of foreign women when away from home so you'd expect a large number of mixed babies added to Shangti populations over centuries. It's possible that some children of these relationships and possibly their mothers could be supported by their father's and even incorporated into his clan (having blood ties to strategic region and children of mixed heritage could be seen as advantageous to the clan).

I'm also going to be looking at the Sriaav settlement of North East Altaia, known also as the Altaian Reach - Aklanaavan Ri. Till the 75th century this region's history would have been largely shaped by the Sriaav and the Kamuran Empire. My conception of the ultimate outcome of this region is that the Reach secedes from the Empire in the run up to the Kamuran Revolution and exists for a time as a confederation of trade cities and communes stretching from the Lower Nuss around the coast to the northwest shore of the Shangti. The AR would be a loose union and ultimately a flawed one fraught with mutual rivalries between the various cities and communes. These divisions would be evident when the Wolgos appear and exploit these divisions following their destruction of the Aka'lam Empire and the chaos that ensued from that. A modest but united entity the Wolgos Hlrike was able to subjugate the Reach via forcing a treaty that was however still allowing of Sriaav cultural autonomy and personal rights.

Since this is geofiction and a powerful maritime empire like Kamura was always meant to make a splash (tehe) I thought it wise to turn focus on to these matters next.

FYI - Considering Kamura is not historically connected to Anarian naming conventions I've decided to adopt as the Kamuran name for the continent Altaia the name Aklana which is derived from it's Aka'lam inhabitants.
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09-25-2018, 10:05 PM
Post: #2
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
Well, let's face it, if Kamuran is half based on RW Japanese and the Kakuri use some form of RW Japanese as well, then the Kakuri must have their roots in the Sriaav ethnicity as well. Or even the Ameratsu, since the Kakuri have dormant genes that can produce blonde offspring.

Talking about genetics, how much do the Gothans know about it? Chromosomes are a 1911-1913 discovery, exactly our timeframe...

Back to my dear Kakuri. I haven't drawn much history around them yet. They are a remnant of a larger culture, empire or league that got wiped out by the Julian Event. Whatever that is... so much stuff to develop... it's a megatsunami, that's for sure.

Question is, were the pre-Kakuri still in touch with Middle Era Kamura or were they already cut off by then? I would say the latter, since the Julian Event does not seem to have had an effect on history in the northern regions of Altaia and Davai.

It would be a nice historical landmark, having some Sriaav-ish ruling class running a bunch of coastal territories up to 400 years ago. And then having them washed away, paving the way for Anarian traders, colonizers and settlers.

OK, but that's just an exotic detail in the larger Sriaav picture.

VITTMARK:"This mess is a place." --- FISKS:"Fisk you!"
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09-25-2018, 11:21 PM
Post: #3
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
(09-25-2018 10:05 PM)Pepijn Wrote:  Well, let's face it, if Kamuran is half based on RW Japanese and the Kakuri use some form of RW Japanese as well, then the Kakuri must have their roots in the Sriaav ethnicity as well. Or even the Ameratsu, since the Kakuri have dormant genes that can produce blonde offspring.

I don't want to drag it out too much but not only did the Sriaav intermix with Samzayids, who themselves were travelling about the empire anyway, but the Ancestral Sriaav were traced from the same proto-Yaemic stock as Yaemic and Anarian peoples. This meant they have they own dormant fair haired genes allowing for a small chance of blonde, ginger or maybe albino offspring. Some small island populations within Kamura have fair-haired and light eye-coloured majorities.

Linking the Kakuri blondes to this genetic lineage makes sense especially since the Kakuri are obviously of West Davaian heritage and Kamurans are the most likely culprits.

(09-25-2018 10:05 PM)Pepijn Wrote:  Talking about genetics, how much do the Gothans know about it? Chromosomes are a 1911-1913 discovery, exactly our timeframe...

It's a 1930 tech cap yes? That puts some solid knowledge of genetics clearly within our grasp. How would these chromosomes have been interpreted though? Could you discern a Sriaav genome from an Aldsay one for example?

(09-25-2018 10:05 PM)Pepijn Wrote:  Back to my dear Kakuri. I haven't drawn much history around them yet. They are a remnant of a larger culture, empire or league that got wiped out by the Julian Event. Whatever that is... so much stuff to develop... it's a megatsunami, that's for sure.

Question is, were the pre-Kakuri still in touch with Middle Era Kamura or were they already cut off by then? I would say the latter, since the Julian Event does not seem to have had an effect on history in the northern regions of Altaia and Davai.

It would be a nice historical landmark, having some Sriaav-ish ruling class running a bunch of coastal territories up to 400 years ago. And then having them washed away, paving the way for Anarian traders, colonizers and settlers.

OK, but that's just an exotic detail in the larger Sriaav picture.

The Kakuri could be included in the numerous examples of part-Sriaav cultures as a result of wandering fathers. I see no real reason to solidly cut off the Julian culture from Kamura, if anything the edge or perhaps the outermost dominion of the Empire could have expanded to the Julian Sea at the very apogee of the Hanayakaav Dynasty. Few things have been known to contain a strong maritime culture and I'm sure Kamurans would have had knowledge of that region and been affected by the Julian Event.

If Kamuran is an Turko-Japanese hybrid language (the original Gotha Japanese though) then Kakuri would be influenced by Austronesian as it's been found RW Japanese is. We could have a narrative where some native women from the Raian Islands either elope with or are rescued by Kamuran sailors who then set up a trade company in the Julian Sea. This company need not be loyal to Kamura, it could be mutinous.....
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09-26-2018, 12:13 AM
Post: #4
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
TeamBattleaxe Wrote:As well as trade companies and military garrisons the Sriaav would have engaged in interbreeding in parts of Shangti and I imagine if contemporary Gothans could produce a genetic map of Sriaav admixture they would find a large blob surrounding the Shangti Ocean. In many Raian and Altaian areas these quasi-Sriaav would have adopted the culture and language of their mothers.

I'm all for the Sriaav playing a big roll in the history of the Shangti region. The geography makes sense. And the ideas for Kamura's history you have sketched seem to work nicely.

However, the seeming Sriaav diaspora you have going on would only work if Kamura was exporting serious numbers of her people to these regions over a prolonged period of time. To affect genetic groups across the other side of the largest ocean on the planet to such an extent that they make up a significant proportion of the population requires A LOT of interbreeding. I'm talking invasion and occupation levels. Or mass rape. Which let's hope is not the case. You only have to look at historical empires, where centuries of actual occupation can have a minimal impact on ethnicity of the region occupied.

Also, for the mixed race offspring to adopt Kamuran culture is fine in small numbers, but I wouldn't expect that to go down well in their native land. I think this narrative would work much better if these Siraav multi-ethnic groups were minorities (who would more likely than not, considering the imperialist nature of Kamura, be oppressed minorities). Unless, of course, this is a recent imperialist move by Kamura to justify the occupation or domination of particular regions. Just a few suggestions.

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09-27-2018, 03:42 PM
Post: #5
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
http://www.worldofgotha.com/wiki/index.p...aian_Reach

A history and short overview of the Sriaav presence in the region I refer to as the Altaian Reach which in Northeastern Altaia. Here Gothan lore accounts for Sriaav settlement of the region and I've written down that for centuries the region was under heavy Kamuran influence.

As to the current status of the Reach and the cultures therein, I'll have to determine that with Felipe. His existing lore on the Sriaav was written before my work on Kamura began and made some assumptions about Sriaav culture which I've diverged from.

I've tried to paint a picture of the development of the region prior to the Wolgos conquests and hinted at an advanced Aka'lm civilisation dominating most of the Nuss Basin for several centuries. I've also devised a sequence of events which would explain the fall of the Reach to the Bind. It's quite a stretch for the Wolgos to conquer millions of Sriaav.....
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09-27-2019, 11:56 PM
Post: #6
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
I've decided to bring this topic back up. I'm going to be planning more work on Kamura, hopefully in the coming days and would like to define it's cultural and geo-political influence some more.

I had been thinking of requesting Xholate and some islands in Raia as overseas possessions of Kamura but have decide to define them as 'zones of special interest'. Basically, any other player that has a presence in Northern Raia and Eastern Altaia will be prompt interactions, either collaborative or confrontational with Kamura.

I have decided that due to Kamura rebounding from a contraction phase as a power in Gotha that open conflict with Anarian powers in recent times has been limited and Anarian ships have passed through the Kamuran Straits to access West Davaian markets. The long-term presence of Anarians in the Shangti, going back at least two centuries has meant that trade relations between Kamuran and Anarian powers, specifically Auresia, Anisora and Vittmark have become rather sophisticated and some technology has changed hands. This is reminiscent of the 'Dutch Science' of the Tokugawa Shogunate in OTL but in Kamura has become much more advanced influenced also by the Ithrieni Industrial Revolution which occurred first an trickled out knowledge and science from the 7300's onwards.

By the time of the late 7500's the Kamuran Navy has grown into one of largest navies in Gotha although the ship models may not be as advanced as some Anarian designs at this stage, they're logistical capabilities in the Shangti are now unmatched. They also have a reasonable air fleet to compliment their sea and ground attack forces.

The main priorities for Kamura going forward will be to reestablish dominance of its home waters and though maybe not ban Anarian shipping, demand licencing to pass through the Kamuran Straits and/or enter contractual agreements with Kamura shipping magnates. Previously the Straits would have been unregulated and Kamuran merchant guilds were relegated to a fraction of the Davaian shipping market.

This change in policy will be met with anger in Anaria I'm sure but the presence of Kamura's resurgent military capability and it's geographic position give it confidence that it can greater assert its sovereignty, both on land and at sea.

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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09-28-2019, 12:07 AM
Post: #7
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
As a further aside, take a look at the article about the Altaian Reach, the region of Altaia geographically closest to Kamura. This region was settled over centuries by the Sriaav, Kamura's dominant ethnicity, and by Gotha estimates could have a population in the tens of millions with up to 60 million Sriaav descendants living on the continent. That's a lot to account for and a significant proportion relative to the Sriaav living in Kamura!

To avoid making Kamura way OP I've decided to have these colonies break away and form their own entity, an event which preceded the Kamuran Revolution and was in response the Kamura's deteriorating economic and geopolitical situation at the time. A confederation of sorts, some of these Sriaav states may have broken away from the Union and formed there own states and maybe reached out to the Empire again. So there's a bit of a dance going on which I've got planned for there....

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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09-28-2019, 08:10 AM
Post: #8
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
TeamBattleaxe Wrote:I had been thinking of requesting Xholate and some islands in Raia as overseas possessions of Kamura but have decide to define them as 'zones of special interest'. Basically, any other player that has a presence in Northern Raia and Eastern Altaia will be prompt interactions, either collaborative or confrontational with Kamura.

I think this is a nice idea - it might be a good way to generate interaction while not making Kamura too OP.

TeamBattleaxe Wrote:This change in policy will be met with anger in Anaria I'm sure but the presence of Kamura's resurgent military capability and it's geographic position give it confidence that it can greater assert its sovereignty, both on land and at sea.

It certainly will! In terms of Anisora, she does have interests in the region and under her current free trade prime minister would be expanding her trade interests in Western Davai. Anisora would be loudly expressing her anger - although her relative power in the region means she can't do much about it on her own.

Depending on what specific steps Kamura takes and how stymieing the tariffs/ban on Anarian shipping are, she would try to form/join some sort of diplomatic coalition to put pressure on Kamura to preserve Anarian trading rights in the region. Yan and Western Davai are HUGE markets - Anisora, and I daresay other Anarians, wouldn't let that go without a fight. Sounds like a good opportunity for interaction there!

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09-28-2019, 04:33 PM
Post: #9
RE: The Sriaav Overseas
Quote:Depending on what specific steps Kamura takes and how stymieing the tariffs/ban on Anarian shipping are, she would try to form/join some sort of diplomatic coalition to put pressure on Kamura to preserve Anarian trading rights in the region. Yan and Western Davai are HUGE markets - Anisora, and I daresay other Anarians, wouldn't let that go without a fight. Sounds like a good opportunity for interaction there!

It may still be prudent for Kamura to diplomatic impact by playing Anarian powers against one another. Could you explain Anisoran and Auresian diplomatic relations? Is their tension between the two powers that could be played up?

Auresia and Amberia seem set to be the most aggressive colonialists in the region while Anisora and Fisks/Vittmark are relatively smaller and could be more amenable to diplomatic favours. Fisks could partially exist for this reason, having shipping privileges in Kamuran waters and Anisora might not want to pass up a larger, advantageous share of shipping traffic between West Davai and Anaria.

However, if Anisora was willing to take up the Kamuran offer it risks being bullied by Auresia and Amberia who hold control of some strategic areas along the sea route to the Shangti. With the revolution in Aedeland and closer ties with Vittmark maybe Anisora could pursue opening up a route north over the top of Altaia to Davaian markets.

There is also you're recent negotiation with Arsas to open up a route overland through Davai which might provide extra confidence to Anisora in pursuing a more belligerent policy towards it's Anarian rivals. Kamura though is more lukewarm about this avenue though and would be eager to ensure the maritime routes it can profit from remain favoured.

Something like this could have powerful ripple effects in Anaria, especially considering what a hot button issue maritime strait access is.

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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09-29-2019, 09:29 AM
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RE: The Sriaav Overseas
TeamBattleazexe Wrote:It may still be prudent for Kamura to diplomatic impact by playing Anarian powers against one another. Could you explain Anisoran and Auresian diplomatic relations? Is their tension between the two powers that could be played up?

Playing Anarians off of one another is exactly what Kamura should be doing geopolitically!

Crash course in Anisoran geopolitics - here goes!

Auresia is actually Anisora's strongest ally. They have been allied since before the PAW over 90 years ago. They have their differences like any allies (such as Auresia's recent unilateral annexation of Istania's colonies in the Himarian Sea, which Anisora officially didn't comment on). But their governments remain aligned in opposition to the now defunct Straits Cartel (which they helped collapse by working together). They share a similar policy on Vittmarker security and anti-Aedelish caution. They are both capitalist, aristocratic (mostly) societies, with a determined anti-Häverist tendency. They are both trade focused nations at present - the key area of tension might be with competing trade opportunities, so there is scope. But considering the Anisoran empress in an Auresian, and the heir to the Auresian throne is married to an Anisoran, a long-term diplomatic shift would have to be caused by a major split. Anything to add Tom?


Also, for your reference, see Foreign relations of the Anisoran Empire for a further breakdown of Anisoran foreign policy at present.

TeamBattleaxe Wrote:...Anisora might not want to pass up a larger, advantageous share of shipping traffic between West Davai and Anaria. However, if Anisora was willing to take up the Kamuran offer it risks being bullied by Auresia and Amberia who hold control of some strategic areas along the sea route to the Shangti

So is Kamura approaching Anisora with a specific offer for greater freedom of trade in the region then? If Anisora was to accept an offer that would benefit herself and upset even her allies, the current prime minister Alessandro Nicotera-Sarno is definitely the man to do it. He's already done it with the recent Arsas deal. That said, it depends what it is, and considering what I mention below, might be a difficult sell - and expect for him to negotiate fiercely. I think he is fast getting a reputation as one of the most aggressive negotiators in Gotha!

TeamBattleaxe Wrote:With the revolution in Aedeland and closer ties with Vittmark maybe Anisora could pursue opening up a route north over the top of Altaia to Davaian markets.

There is also you're recent negotiation with Arsas to open up a route overland through Davai which might provide extra confidence to Anisora in pursuing a more belligerent policy towards it's Anarian rivals. Kamura though is more lukewarm about this avenue though and would be eager to ensure the maritime routes it can profit from remain favoured.

Anisora has no interest in developing new northern routes over Altaia. As you said, the recent exclusive deal Anisora signed with Arsas gives the Anisorans a massive advantage in access to West Davaian markets. It provides the Anisorans with a massive counterweight to any Kamuran bribe/threat, basically, as they can effectively use the back door to trade with Yan etc., bypassing any Kamuran threats to maritime trade.

Furthermore, let's not forget that Anisora maintains both Aspasia and the Andrea Islands in the Shangti, both strategically situated on the way between western Davai and Anaria. While Anisora is a maritime nation in many ways and would prefer to use shipping, the new Arsas deal is opening up opportunities that could really benefit her. If Kamura pushed Anisora too far, Anisora has a back up plan, basically. Anisora might prove one of the more tricky players to negotiate with in this case. That said, however, Kamura has more buttons to press because of the level of development Anisora has.

In that vein, Anisora operates very much like the British before WWII and the Americans since then: oil and natural gas are major drivers of her foreign policy. The Moreva Petroleum Corporation is, at present, the largest oil company in Gotha that is not Tahani owned. They're always looking for new oil fields to exploit. The massive Arsas deal came about after negotiations on oil exploitation rights, for example.

TeamBattleaxe Wrote:Something like this could have powerful ripple effects in Anaria, especially considering what a hot button issue maritime strait access is.

Absolutely! Another Pan-Anarian War, anyone? Tongue

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